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PostSubject: Re: The "What's your team?" thread!   Sat Mar 21, 2009 8:18 pm

Actually CK, Garchomp can learn Dragon Dance via Egg Move.
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PostSubject: Re: The "What's your team?" thread!   Sun Mar 22, 2009 6:19 am

... Nooooo, he does not, Storm. There is not a single moveset ever created portraying Garchomp with Dragon Dance. Dragon Dance is superior to Swords Dance, so there'd bound to be some movesets like that on Smogon - there are none, however. Take a look for yourself. The only good dragon move he gets via breeding is Outrage.

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/445.shtml

http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/garchomp

Trust me Storm, I've raised multiple Garchomps. From sub-dancers to choice banders (rhyme not intended), I know my Landshark junk.
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PostSubject: Re: The "What's your team?" thread!   Sun Mar 22, 2009 6:25 am

Whoops....[facepalm/] My bad, I misread an eggbreeding FAQ.

EDIT:

Ok, heres my newest team, just no full movesets yet...

Bastiodon

Lucario

Dusknoir

Drapion

Ursaring

Dragonite

MOD Edit: No double posting please.
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PostSubject: Re: The "What's your team?" thread!   Thu Mar 26, 2009 6:24 am

No double posting, Storm... >.>; Your a mod, so do something about it. Razz Just shove that lot into your last post with "EDIT" or something in it, ok?
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PostSubject: Re: The "What's your team?" thread!   Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:43 am

My apologies, I thought someone else had posted.
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PostSubject: Re: The "What's your team?" thread!   Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:39 am

revival...who cares.


i need help. which would work better?

Noctowl
-Psychic
-Air Slash
-Confuse Ray
-Roost?

Staraptor
-Aerial Ace/Brave Bird
-Close Combat
-Roost
-????
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PostSubject: Re: The "What's your team?" thread!   Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:48 am

Noctowl is UU crap, don't use it.

Staraptor generally shouldn't used with Roost unless it has a Life Orb, and even then, due to a SR weakness and bad defenses (even with intimidate) it still won't last long. If you want a bulky poke with roost, but can still do damage, I recommend Dragonite, Togekiss, Zapdos, etc.

If you're set on either, though, Staraptor is simply better than Noctowl.
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PostSubject: Re: The "What's your team?" thread!   Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:53 am

I forgot about Togekiss!

would this be a good moveset for it?
-Aura Sphere
-Air Slash
-Psychic
-Roost
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PostSubject: Re: The "What's your team?" thread!   Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:59 am

If you want a Bulky Togekiss, you'll definatly want this moveset.

Thunder Wave/Body Slam
Air Slash
Roost
Aura Sphere/Nasty Plot/Substitute

Body Slam requires hax (60%), so only use it if you're afraid of ground types (which makes little sense as is, since you're flying, have roost, and are a special attacker). Thunderwave is almost always better.

Nasty Plot lets him sweep, but Aura Sphere supplies very good type coverage, and this isn't a good sweeping moveset anyways; so I'd recommend Aura Sphere over the other options.

For EVs, you'll want a fairly simple spread. 252 HP/Sp. atk, 6 SpD

You can put 252 EVs, instead of Sp. atk, into SpD if you want. But that is only a viable choice if you're using nasty plot. If you use Aura Sphere (which I recommend), use the Sp. atk EVs instead.

And remember, as a general rule, Psychic has terrible coverage; Flying SE's Fighting as is, and Poison isn't something to worry about. Psychic is almost never viable on a pokemon, especially not if it doesn't get STAB.
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PostSubject: Re: The "What's your team?" thread!   Wed Apr 29, 2009 4:00 am

My current Platinum team (at 6 Badges):


Alakazam
Level 40
Moves: Calm Mind, Recover, Grass Knot, and Psychic.


Staraptor
Level 40
Moves: Aerial Ace, Wing Attack, Fly, and Steel Wing.


Luxray
Level 40
Moves: Bite, Swagger, Thunder Fang, and Return.


Porygon2
Level 41
Moves: Psybeam, Signal Beam, Discharge, and Magnet Rise.


Empoleon
Level 43
Moves: Peck (waiting for Drill Peck), Metal Claw (changing to Flash Cannon), Bubblebeam, and Surf.


Bibarel, the HM Slave.
Level 23
Moves: Rock Smash, Cut, Strength, and Rollout.

Duskull and Togetic are both in the Daycare at around level 30.
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PostSubject: Re: The "What's your team?" thread!   Thu Apr 30, 2009 10:12 pm

Noctowl is surprisingly bulky. Burn passer is fun. Strype gave me his burn synch Noctowl.
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This makes Togakiss, Togakill with your Serene Grace Hax set. Speed is a bit meh but there arent many bulky bullets.
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PostSubject: Re: The "What's your team?" thread!   Fri May 01, 2009 4:34 am

Speed EVs are only necesarry for a Togekiss worried about the faster ground types like Gliscor (... which it shouldn't be outspeeding anyways), and that's only the case when you're running T-wave. Why do you recommend that EV spread, Fox?
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PostSubject: Re: The "What's your team?" thread!   Tue May 05, 2009 2:45 am

My Platinum team, right after beating the Elite Four:


Dusknoir
Level 52
Toxic, Thunder Punch, Curse, and Will-O-Wisp.
Item: Lum Berry


Alakazam
Level 53
Calm Mind, Grass Knot, Recover, and Psychic.
Item: Mind Plate


Togekiss
Level 56
Air Slash, Metronome, Roost, and Aura Sphere.
Item: Razor Claw


Porygon-Z
Level 53
Tri Attack, Signal Beam, Discharge, and Magnet Rise.
Item: Zap Plate


Empoleon (might be replaced)
Level 56
Drill Peck, Flash Cannon, Bubblebeam, and Surf.
Item: Wave Incense


Luxray (might be replaced)
Level 54
Crunch, Swagger, Thunder Fang, and Return.
Item: Magnet

What could be changed to make this team better?
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PostSubject: Re: The "What's your team?" thread!   Tue May 05, 2009 2:50 am

... This team is strictly for in-game purposes, yes?
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PostSubject: Re: The "What's your team?" thread!   Tue May 05, 2009 2:52 am

So far... yes. My online doesn't work. :/
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PostSubject: Re: The "What's your team?" thread!   Tue May 05, 2009 2:54 am

There's always the Battle Frontier, but... meh. Gimme a few minutes, I'll edit some stuff in.

EDIT:

A standard toxistall set for Dusknoir would be Toxic, Protect, Pain split, and an attack move with Leftovers as the item. With that in mind, Pain Split is an egg move... That's problematic already. While this isn't ideal, you can just give Dusknoir two attack moves. If you're keeping Luxray, you should drop Thunderpunch for Ice Punch. Ice and ground also has good coverage, so you can slap on Earthquake as your last attack move; although for a weak attacker like Dusknoir, this isn't always a good idea. Your call, ofcourse.

Alakazam is alright, but Grass Knot needs to go. It's too unreliable in-game, and grass is a bad offensive and defensive type in general. I recommend giving it Focus Blast over Grass Knot, mainly to stop Dark and Steel types that wall it. You can keep recover since it's in-game, but you may want to throw on another attack, or give it up instead of Grass Knot. If you want to ditch Recover more than Grass Knot, that's perfectly fine; I recommend putting Energy Ball over Grass Knot in this case, though. Energy Ball is much more reliable in-game.


Togekiss is fine, bar Metronome. There's plenty of moves to fill in the gap, though. Flamethrower is an especially good move, seeing as your team lacks a fire type. You could also give it Water Pulse, which has a 60% confusion chance when Serene Grace is factored in. There's a few other moves you could use, but Flamethrower for great coverage (especially for helping Togekiss sweep) and Water Pulse are the best. Take your pick.


Z has a lot of possibilities. The moveset is entirely dependant on the item, and you clearly need an item change. Check out Smogon's page for details, and choose a moveset. I personally would recommend Choice Specs; Z is fast enough in-game, so the extra power allows him to strike the enemy's weakpoint for massive damage.

But no matter what the moveset is, you'll be dropping Magnet Rise, trust me.


I don't see any particular thought into Empoleon's set (then again, it's in-game after all Razz), but something like this would probably work.

Empoleon @ Leftovers

Surf
Ice Beam
Flash Cannon
?

Grass Knot could go in the last slot (if you have methods to get another TM), but again, it's unreliable. You could just throw Hydro Pump on for the extra kick (but due to low PP, refrain from using it unless necesarry), or possibly rest and use Empoleon as your main tank for absorbing damage. Without egg moves, he lacks a lot of good in-game options for a bulky set.


Luxray, ... isn't very good type coverage wise. If it has Intimidate, keep it. If not, drop it. Rivalry is horrible for both in-game and competitive battling. If it has Intimidate, tell me and I'll give you a moveset for it.


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PostSubject: Re: The "What's your team?" thread!   Tue May 05, 2009 4:22 am

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Dusknoir needs to drop Lum Berry for Leftovers ASAP. It's a godly item in-game, and in general helps his bulk. I can't recommend anything else unless you tell me whether or not you want him as a curse sweeper, or a toxistall utility poke.
Hmm... I'll make him a toxistall Poke.

And I taught Togekiss Flamethower, and Alakazam Focus Blast, too.
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PostSubject: Re: The "What's your team?" thread!   Tue May 05, 2009 5:12 am

Had to be somewhere, so I just now finished up the team advice. Still a few blanks left, so to speak, so help me out with that.
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PostSubject: Re: The "What's your team?" thread!   Tue May 05, 2009 5:46 am

I suppose its time for a team? Here is my "Competition" trained team. Evs, Ivs and all.

Name: Dragonite
Nickname: Eximius
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Inner Focus
Job: Life Orb/ Baton Passed Sweeper
Item: Life Orb
~ Fire Punch
~ Thunderpunch
~ Outrage
~ Earthquake
Ev's-
HP: 6
Atk: 252
Def: 0
SpAtk: 0
SpDef: 0
Spd: 252
IV's-
HP: 29
Atk: 31
Def: 28
SpAtk: 5
SpDef: 25
Spd: 30

Name: Shuckle
Nickname: Parietis
Nature: Brave
Ability: Sturdy
Job: SubWall/ Stall Recoil
Item: Leftovers
~ Substitute/ Protect
~ Rest
~ Bide
~ Encore
Ev's-
HP: 108
Atk: 0
Def: 200
SpAtk: 0
SpDef: 200
Spd: 0
IV's-
HP: 31
Atk: 3
Def: 29
SpAtk: 6
SpDef: 30
Spd: 22

Name: Tentacruel
Nickname: Unda Vinco
Nature: Modest
Ability: Clear Body
Job: Lead Mix/ Toxic Spiker
Item: Salac Berry
~ Toxic Spikes
~ Ice Beam
~ Brine
~ Sludge Bomb
Ev's-
HP: 100
Atk:0
Def:100
SpAtk:100
SpDef:100
Spd:108
IV's-
HP: 28
Atk:12
Def:15
SpAtk:30
SpDef:31
Spd:25

Name: Ninjask
Nickname: Volatilis
Nature: Careful
Ability: Speed Boost
Job: Stat Up Baton Passer
Item:Focus Sash
~ Swords Dance
~ Protect
~ Substitute
~ Baton Pass
Ev's-
HP:252
Atk:0
Def:0
SpAtk:0
SpDef:0
Spd:256
IV's-
HP:28
Atk:20
Def:5
SpAtk:8
SpDef:12
Spd:30

Name: Slaking
Nickname: Comitatus
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Truant
Job: Baton Passed Sweeper/ Mixed Attacker
Item: Leftovers
~ Earthquake
~ Brick Break
~ Secret Power
~ Shadow Claw
Ev's-
HP:6
Atk:200
Def:52
SpAtk:0
SpDef:52
Spd:200
IV's-
Atk:31
Def:24
SpAtk:17
SpDef:28
Spd:27

Name: Espeon
Nickname: Veneficus
Nature: Modest
Ability: Synchronize
Job: Late Game Powerhouse
Item: Petaya Berry
~ Shadow Ball
~ Grass Knot
~ Psychic
~ Calm Mind
Ev's-
HP:
Atk:0
Def:0
SpAtk:300
SpDef:0
Spd:208
IV's-
HP:20
Atk:4
Def:19
SpAtk:30
SpDef:22
Spd:31

There it is. Took a crapload of breeding and time, but I think it paid off.
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PostSubject: Re: The "What's your team?" thread!   Tue May 05, 2009 5:51 am

What, you don't want me to finish giving advice for the in-game team?
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PostSubject: Re: The "What's your team?" thread!   Tue May 05, 2009 5:54 am

No, I got to many in game teams to morph them into one. I like this team, and I gave as much information as possible in terms of EV's and IV's.
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PostSubject: Re: The "What's your team?" thread!   Tue May 05, 2009 5:58 am

Eh, alright then. As you know from experience, I'm a lazy son of a *****, so I'll get to this tomorrow; or really late at night, whichever comes first. I really don't feel like doing two analysis' in a row.
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PostSubject: Re: The "What's your team?" thread!   Tue May 05, 2009 5:59 am

Damn you CK... Damn you....

Ok, whenever your ready...
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PostSubject: Re: The "What's your team?" thread!   Tue May 05, 2009 6:36 am

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Luxray, ... isn't very good type coverage wise. If it has Intimidate, keep it. If not, drop it. Rivalry is horrible for both in-game and competitive battling. If it has Intimidate, tell me and I'll give you a moveset for it.
He has Rivalry....

I'm thinking about replacing him with something like Flygon.

EDIT:

My updated team:


Dusknoir
Level 53
Toxic, Thunder Punch, Protect, and Will-O-Wisp.
Item: Wide Lens


Alakazam
Level 53
Calm Mind, Psychic, Recover, and Focus Blast.
Item: Mind Plate


Togekiss
Level 56
Air Slash, Flamethrower, Roost, and Aura Sphere.
Item: Razor Claw


Porygon-Z
Level 53
Dark Pulse, Tri Attack, Thunderbolt, and Nasty Plot.
Item: Metronome


Empoleon
Level 56
Drill Peck, Flash Cannon, Ice Beam, and Surf.
Item: Wave Incense

Still deciding what's gonna be in my last slot.
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PostSubject: Re: The "What's your team?" thread!   Wed May 06, 2009 12:49 pm

Storm wrote:
I suppose its time for a team? Here is my "Competition" trained team. Evs, Ivs and all.

Name: Dragonite
Nickname: Eximius
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Inner Focus
Job: Life Orb/ Baton Passed Sweeper
Item: Life Orb
~ Fire Punch
~ Thunderpunch
~ Outrage
~ Earthquake
Ev's-
HP: 6
Atk: 252
Def: 0
SpAtk: 0
SpDef: 0
Spd: 252
IV's-
HP: 29
Atk: 31
Def: 28
SpAtk: 5
SpDef: 25
Spd: 30

Name: Shuckle
Nickname: Parietis
Nature: Brave
Ability: Sturdy
Job: SubWall/ Stall Recoil
Item: Leftovers
~ Substitute/ Protect
~ Rest
~ Bide
~ Encore
Ev's-
HP: 108
Atk: 0
Def: 200
SpAtk: 0
SpDef: 200
Spd: 0
IV's-
HP: 31
Atk: 3
Def: 29
SpAtk: 6
SpDef: 30
Spd: 22

Name: Tentacruel
Nickname: Unda Vinco
Nature: Modest
Ability: Clear Body
Job: Lead Mix/ Toxic Spiker
Item: Salac Berry
~ Toxic Spikes
~ Ice Beam
~ Brine
~ Sludge Bomb
Ev's-
HP: 100
Atk:0
Def:100
SpAtk:100
SpDef:100
Spd:108
IV's-
HP: 28
Atk:12
Def:15
SpAtk:30
SpDef:31
Spd:25

Name: Ninjask
Nickname: Volatilis
Nature: Careful
Ability: Speed Boost
Job: Stat Up Baton Passer
Item:Focus Sash
~ Swords Dance
~ Protect
~ Substitute
~ Baton Pass
Ev's-
HP:252
Atk:0
Def:0
SpAtk:0
SpDef:0
Spd:256
IV's-
HP:28
Atk:20
Def:5
SpAtk:8
SpDef:12
Spd:30

Name: Slaking
Nickname: Comitatus
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Truant
Job: Baton Passed Sweeper/ Mixed Attacker
Item: Leftovers
~ Earthquake
~ Brick Break
~ Secret Power
~ Shadow Claw
Ev's-
HP:6
Atk:200
Def:52
SpAtk:0
SpDef:52
Spd:200
IV's-
Atk:31
Def:24
SpAtk:17
SpDef:28
Spd:27

Name: Espeon
Nickname: Veneficus
Nature: Modest
Ability: Synchronize
Job: Late Game Powerhouse
Item: Petaya Berry
~ Shadow Ball
~ Grass Knot
~ Psychic
~ Calm Mind
Ev's-
HP:
Atk:0
Def:0
SpAtk:300
SpDef:0
Spd:208
IV's-
HP:20
Atk:4
Def:19
SpAtk:30
SpDef:22
Spd:31

There it is. Took a crapload of breeding and time, but I think it paid off.

Okay... what's your lead pokemon on this team? I can't see which it is. I know it's either Ninjask or Tentacruel (... or atleast it should be), but both of them don't qualify good as leads, or atleast not for this team. Ninjask as a lead personally leads to failure if you're trying to just sweep, focus sashers can mess you up, and since you have no knowledge of the foe's team, they can quickly end your sweep. Baton Passing should only be used as a dedicated team strategy IMO.

Trust me on this... my first competitive battling team involved the same strategy; it failed miserably. Anyways, onto the actual analysis...

I immediatly noticed your rock weakness. Without a SINGLE rock resist, TTar can just CB Stone Edge over, and over, and over. Rock is simply a common type in competitive battling, you need to handle this weakness somehow. I would personally recommend taking out Ninjask for a rock resisting poke; he's not that useful to this team anyways. Overall, there's no other type issues.

Another real issue with this team is lack of type coverage for your sweepers; Dragonite sweeps on brute force, not super effective hits. Espeon is the same; this simply doesn't amount to much. Espeon's speed is also lackluster, making it effectively a useless sweeper most of the time anyways. Your only other power hitter, Slaking, is already incredibly risky thanks to Truant. I may of commended your usage of the rare Slaking before, but for a team like this, it's a pretty bad idea.

Your only wall, Shuckle, doesn't contribute to your team either. No recovery move, no form of offense (besides the incredibly risky and practically useless Bide), and very few resistances. Overall, it doesn't survive long as well. Shuckle is simply dead weight; his raw defenses don't make up for incredibly low HP, and his other plethora of problems; he's UU for a reason. It also adds onto that pesky rock weakness of yours. Shuckle is Sandstorm/UU only, or atleast that's how it should be viewed.

A few of your movesets, mainly Tentacruel and Shuckle, need reworking to make the best of them, as well as to help contribute more to your team. Infact, Tentacruel probably doesn't belong on this team when he's got TSpikes duty. Stealth rock, or even spikes contribute to a sweeping team (signified by your Ninjask) much more. SR also takes less time to set up, and causes more passive damage in general for offensive teams.

In short, this team's a bit of a wreck, sorry to say. Your past teams have been better. I don't see any point in giving out movesets yet; this team needs a lot of reworking. You can ask for movesets, but it'd be really unwise to stick with this team. Ninjask, Shuckle, and Slaking don't belong on this type of team, definatly not. Espeon is also an inferior Alakazam unless it's using a Baton Pass set (EspyJump set though, your team isn't using a Baton Pass chain strategy). And a sweeper Espeon won't be using Baton Pass unless you have multiple other strong special sweepers (trust me, Tentacruel isn't strong enough).
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